Dhuni
Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!
I have been busy lately with family over the holidays and also have been practicing photography, along with having a huge annoying debate on Sikhsangat...
Anyway, over the last few months I have noticed myself not liking dhuni (simran in keertan) anymore. I have no explanation for it. It has been a slow progression. Anyone who knows me knows that I LOVE(d) naam simran in keertan. But perhaps I never did? Looking back, I almost always did saas giraas simran. So perhaps I liked simran DURING keertan rather than IN keertan. I stopped doing saas giraas at keertans sometime in summer when I thought I should keep it to myself. After that, I slowly lost interest in it.
I remember enjoying it, I remember liking it, but now it seems strange. Its like you are reading a really really good book and you are all into the story. And then all of a sudden a fire engine drives by with sirens blazing and bells ringing and you cant concentrate until the disturbance is gone. It really feels like that now. I just find no point in it. I have no reasons why and I remember liking it, so I am not against anyone that does it. But I think I just prefer not to do it, and it not be done when I'm around. But one thing I have noticed is that lately I enjoy the bani much more. Like reading/singing bani gives me the same rass as like 20-30 minutes of crazy simran with Singhs. This is something I have longed for for a long time, especially since I had become a bit indifferent towards bani earlier this year.
I think some part of this has to do with getting santhiya. Ever since getting santhiya and actually applying it to daily bani, I feel so much more connected and love gurbani so much more. Its so enlightening and like a sweet ambrosial nectar.
I just cant seem to interrupt it with something that is not quite naam simran and not quite bani.
I have no reasons, explanations etc for it as I do for most of my other beleifs or rehats, so I wont try to convince anyone else of it as of yet since I am still exploring this. But it really is an interesting realization considering that even during the summer of this year I thought I could never agree with the tapobaner's on this. I just thought it was a ridiculous notion. But then again, four years or so ago, I thought sarbloh bibek was a ridiculous notion and some kind of brahmin ritual (boy was I proved wrong).
I have been busy lately with family over the holidays and also have been practicing photography, along with having a huge annoying debate on Sikhsangat...
Anyway, over the last few months I have noticed myself not liking dhuni (simran in keertan) anymore. I have no explanation for it. It has been a slow progression. Anyone who knows me knows that I LOVE(d) naam simran in keertan. But perhaps I never did? Looking back, I almost always did saas giraas simran. So perhaps I liked simran DURING keertan rather than IN keertan. I stopped doing saas giraas at keertans sometime in summer when I thought I should keep it to myself. After that, I slowly lost interest in it.
I remember enjoying it, I remember liking it, but now it seems strange. Its like you are reading a really really good book and you are all into the story. And then all of a sudden a fire engine drives by with sirens blazing and bells ringing and you cant concentrate until the disturbance is gone. It really feels like that now. I just find no point in it. I have no reasons why and I remember liking it, so I am not against anyone that does it. But I think I just prefer not to do it, and it not be done when I'm around. But one thing I have noticed is that lately I enjoy the bani much more. Like reading/singing bani gives me the same rass as like 20-30 minutes of crazy simran with Singhs. This is something I have longed for for a long time, especially since I had become a bit indifferent towards bani earlier this year.
I think some part of this has to do with getting santhiya. Ever since getting santhiya and actually applying it to daily bani, I feel so much more connected and love gurbani so much more. Its so enlightening and like a sweet ambrosial nectar.
I just cant seem to interrupt it with something that is not quite naam simran and not quite bani.
I have no reasons, explanations etc for it as I do for most of my other beleifs or rehats, so I wont try to convince anyone else of it as of yet since I am still exploring this. But it really is an interesting realization considering that even during the summer of this year I thought I could never agree with the tapobaner's on this. I just thought it was a ridiculous notion. But then again, four years or so ago, I thought sarbloh bibek was a ridiculous notion and some kind of brahmin ritual (boy was I proved wrong).
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Maybe it's a hidden effect of the Tapoban cultish influence? Yes, I was also under the impression that they are just way chardee kalaa Gursikhs following tat Gurmat maryada and wanted to attend their hyped up santhya camp. That was until I learnt of their other actions etc...
I agree with you, I find it distracting and annoying.
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why do you call it 'saas giraas'? It should be refered to as something like 'the way taught by the punj piarey,' or even swaas swaas, but not saas GIRAAS.
saas giraas refers to doing naam simran with every breath (saas) and with every morsel of food (giraas)
also, i know how you feel about doing simran in keertan. A gursikh once told me that we should be listening to kirtan and doing simran WHILE listening to kirtan, not stopping the keertan and starting simran.
what do you think of singing gurbani tuks while doing dhuni in sangat? For amateurs like me, it helps to keep my mind concentrated.
>>>Maybe it's a hidden effect of the Tapoban cultish influence?<<
Perhaps before calling someone a cultist you should look up the definition of a cult. The entire sikh panth could well fit such a definition.
>>>That was until I learnt of their other actions etc...<<<
really? have you seen any of these actions first hand? these are all rumors and innuendo spread by unscrupulous individuals. Why not meet them and judge for yourself? all the singhs from tapoban I have met so far are incredibly loving gursikhs full of pyaar, gursikhi, naam etc...
get to know them before you judge them.
Oh please, don't even try to diss Tapoban lot. They are the core of the puratan jatha. They LIVE sikhi rather than being all pakhandi. The only 'jatha' that have no internal corruption. Waheguru.
I wasn't trying to 'diss' anyone. And how are THEY the 'core of the puraatan jatha'? As far as I know, most of them are quite young...as they claim themselves (if kids do keertan mainly, IMHO that's good BTW!). Plus, some of these singhs actually in effect 'dissed' a neutral pratan Gursikh sangi saathi of Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji. Who do they think they are, and who knows more...them or such a respectable truly HUMBLE, 'LABELLESS' Bhai Sahib who has done immeasureable sewa of the WHOLE PANTH AND BEYOND...not just a closed group...
'really? have you seen any of these actions first hand? these are all rumors and innuendo spread by unscrupulous individuals. Why not meet them and judge for yourself? all the singhs from tapoban I have met so far are incredibly loving gursikhs full of pyaar, gursikhi, naam '
Veer ji, I agree that some of the stuff may be false allegations. However, someone very close to me told me of something which they were trying to do, which quite simply shocked me to say the least. Nobody is perfect and I am not one to 'judge'...I'm just saying it affected my (or more rather my parents')choice to go to Toronto as well.. We cannot take insults to sevadaar who are evidently 'swaas graasi' and most sweet-speeched . Hope u r in chardee kalaah veeraa.
fateh
to the above comment cud u tell me wat the tapoban singhs were trying to do?
I would be interested in knowing which lie you are reffering to as well :)
Lie?! Pls don't be so patronising bhaji.
Anyway, from your comments 'Manjot', I don't see the faida in feeding this 'interest' if all you're/ we're gonna do is make some noise. Bhullan chukan maaf. P.S. Like someone commented in one of your other posts, it probably is better to stay away from this 'groh' if all it mainly leads to is trouble. Waheguru ji ka KHALSA, WAHEGURU ji ki FATEH!!
If all these Taboban Singhs/Singhneean are so great, I would more than happy to see (or maybe I didn't see it when they were in India recently enjoying being looked after by some other chardee kalaa more gupt Singh/Singhneean) them ACTIVELY do seva of EVIDENTLY pure/puraatan Gursikh sangi-saathis of Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji. In some respects, the 'tapobaners' are probably much better than me and maybe I could have learnt SOMETHING from them in Toronto, but that wasn't meant to be. Lucky I've had the sangat of one of them at home! I don't care about labels...there are many many gupt, very chardee kalaa rooha(n) out there in the real, not just virtual, world. I do ardaas that Waheguru ji hor kirpaa karan.
'what do you think of singing gurbani tuks while doing dhuni in sangat? For amateurs like me, it helps to keep my mind concentrated.'
BTW veer ji, could u answer this question pls? I think it may be more productive for all of us to do vichaar for the sake of our own jeevans rather than those of others. I am a non-antarjaami sinner!!
>>>>what do you think of singing gurbani tuks while doing dhuni in sangat? For amateurs like me, it helps to keep my mind concentrated<<<<
hmm, i dont know yet. I havent been in that situtation. As people who know me may know, guru sahib tends to teach me things when the time is right and such a situation arises.
everything I know about sikhi has been learned this way. An example would be years ago, I hated bibekis, I thought they were all useless hypocrites and brahmin wannabes. So obviously at that time I wasn't ready to become a bibeki, but later as my avastha changed and I began to talk to real singhs more (rather than fake ones) guru sahib slowly made me receptive, and through no decision of my own, I began to keep stricter and stricter rehat--a path that I am still on.
So the dhuni lesson is my newest lesson, and I have yet to complete it. I am still exploring it as I said before.
Last night the raagis at gurudwara sahib were doing dhuni on the vaja with like 30 kids behind them. It was incredibly cute. Anyway, I just internalized it and did saas saas simran, so I enjoyed it.
anyway, putting in random tuks during simran annoys me. I have more experience with this in the amritvela setting. I beleive its an old tradition that when gursikhs get together to do simran and the simran kind of starts to fade away after some time, a gursikh will start reading a gurbani line and again the simran will start with josh. For me, the reading of gurbani at this point really annoys me and takes me out of the place I was going. Its like a sudden snap back to reality.
So I dont know if I answered your question, but thats what I have come up with...
tapoban gursikhs actively doing seva of gursikhs from bhai sahibs time.
heres the problem, most of the AKJ doesnt do this. why? because many of them have gone over to panchain and this has caused a rift. asking them to do seva of an individual over sangat, especially an individual they do not agree with, makes no sense. It would be like asking an akj keertani to start doing seva of taksali sants.
As far as I know, tapoban gursikhs deeply respect these individuals in spite of any differences. And they are more panthic as well than the rest of akj. They respect sants, mahapurakhs, "brahmgyanis" and gursikhs of a lot of other jathas than just AKJ. They are always open to seva from what I have seen and just their personality is incredibly inspiring. I won't start naming individuals as this would be wrong, but the gursikhs I have met have changed me. Such a gursikh that can change others just with a glance is a true gursikh.
right?
to be inspired just at the sight of another, or through a word or two is something that does not happen very often, and when it does, you know such people are truthful.
so in conclusion, I have never heard of gursikhs from tapoban refusing seva or even openly hating someone. So your posting makes no sense to me...
No..sewa of individuals AS WELL AS sangat...does that mean anything to u MKhalsa? For example, if a close associate helps you/your Sikhi,it will be in effect a sewa of sangat...since the message of your learning journey tends to spread round far and wide!
NEway, I worship the feet of someone who has done so much sewa, be it in praatan to modern-day times. In reality, out of a whole bunch of these Tapoban groupies, couldn't a couple go?
'especially an individual they do not agree with, makes no sense. It would be like asking an akj keertani to start doing seva of taksali sants.'
What's wrong with that? True Gurmukhs see the jot in everybody! Seems a bit narrow-minded to think or do otherwise!
You're contradicting yourself with the use of "respect" Veer Ji. yes, We are primarily Khalsae...
I thought it was one of your missions to change/influence what 'most of AKJ' do (anyhow, Tapoban seem to have branded themselves as a spin-off from this label....OMW I'm getting confused with all that bull...)
O.K, 'deeply respect'...actions speak louder than words..they're always going on about puratan Gursikh this and that (even more than telling saakhis of the Gurus I noticed at Khalsa camp) so why not help such a lifestyle from which they claim to have drawn their following? and if Guru Sahib has granted them with strong, healthy bodies maintained with sarbloh, isn't it just for them to physically serve a more used aging body temple to regain some rigour?!
And you going on about your 'inspiration'..I fully understand...hence me going on abt our duty to do the sewa of an 'individual' who has, and is still giving (!) more arrows of prem. We should not have to 'refuse' the seva, but WANT to do it..
I thought maybe you would understand this sensibilty from your strength of emotion?
BTW where did I say, or imply, 'openly hating'...what a strong contradictory tone! You don't always make sense to me Bhai Manjot Singh...is there some internal hatred then?
Let's not get too much into philosophy...
I do ardaas to rid us of selfishness, whilst we take for granted the comforts of everyday life...
How does one measure genuineness against superficiality?
"there are many many gupt, very chardee kalaa rooha(n) out there in the real, not just virtual, world. I do ardaas that Waheguru ji hor kirpaa karan."
Thank you for the person who wrote this coz' this is VERY true. Unfortunately, many people think that in order to be mainstream jatha etc etc, you HAVE to attend kirtans and you HAVE to participate in kirtan programmes. Coupla days ago, this singh i know was dissing very chardhi kalaa people coz' they don't go to kirtan programmes etc. I didn't say anything but i thought, what write have you got to say anything about anyone?.
It's a shame coz' there are loads of CK families out there who don't want to involve themselves too much in stuff. They're happy where they are.
In my opinioin, as long as whatever you do is good in the eyes of Guru Jee, who cares about anything else.
Best to be a 'stranger' Coz' when everyone does your nindha and hates you, and laughs at you, you always have Guru Sahib :) Plus all the nindha is good for them. :)
Waheguru
I see where you're coming from...but by 'virtual' I was mainly referring to the internet (sorry, my technical usage is probably incorrect since I'm not very computer literate). Other than that, the more sangat you can get, the better...I CRAVE SAT-SANGAT (jithe eko naam vakaaniae!)
True jeeo, SaadhSangat is important. But how about when Bhai Sahib and loadsa other mahapurshaa's used to go into the jungle to do bhagtee?...waheguru.
yeah, agreed. sometimes the experiences of just you alone and Guru ji alone are the most 'intense' and bairaag-filled....this murakh does ardas that she becomes as strong as the likes of Bhai Sahib to cope...
This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Sohila on Pannaa 13
rwgu gauVI pUrbI mhlw 5 ]
raag gourree poorabee mehalaa 5 ||
Raag Gauree Poorbee, Fifth Mehl:
krau bynµqI suxhu myry mIqw sMq thl kI bylw ]
karo baena(n)thee sunahu maerae meethaa sa(n)th ttehal kee baelaa ||
Listen, my friends, I beg of you: now is the time to serve the Saints!
eIhw Kwit clhu hir lwhw AwgY bsnu suhylw ]1]
eehaa khaatt chalahu har laahaa aagai basan suhaelaa ||1||
In this world, earn the profit of the Lord's Name, and hereafter, you shall dwell in peace. ||1||
AauD GtY idnsu rYxwry ] mn gur imil kwj svwry ]1] rhwau ]
aoudhh ghattai dhinas rainaarae || man gur mil kaaj savaarae ||1|| rehaao ||
This life is diminishing, day and night. Meeting with the Guru, your affairs shall be resolved. ||1||Pause||
iehu sMswru ibkwru sMsy mih qirE bRhm igAwnI ]
eihu sa(n)saar bikaar sa(n)sae mehi thariou breham giaanee ||
This world is engrossed in corruption and cynicism. Only those who know God are saved.
ijsih jgwie pIAwvY iehu rsu AkQ kQw iqin jwnI ]2]
jisehi jagaae peeaavai eihu ras akathh kathhaa thin jaanee ||2||
Only those who are awakened by the Lord to drink in this Sublime Essence, come to know the Unspoken Speech of the Lord. ||2||
jw kau Awey soeI ibhwJhu hir gur qy mnih bsyrw ]
jaa ko aaeae soee bihaajhahu har gur thae manehi basaeraa ||
Purchase only that for which you have come into the world, and through the Guru, the Lord shall dwell within your mind.
inj Gir mhlu pwvhu suK shjy bhuir n hoiego Pyrw ]3]
nij ghar mehal paavahu sukh sehajae bahur n hoeigo faeraa ||3||
Within the home of your own inner being, you shall obtain the Mansion of the Lord's Presence with intuitive ease. You shall not be consigned again to the wheel of reincarnation. ||3||
AMqrjwmI purK ibDwqy srDw mn kI pUry ]
a(n)tharajaamee purakh bidhhaathae saradhhaa man kee poorae ||
O Inner-knower, Searcher of Hearts, O Primal Being, Architect of Destiny: please fulfill this yearning of my mind.
nwnk dwsu iehY suKu mwgY mo kau kir sMqn kI DUry ]4]5]
naanak dhaas eihai sukh maagai mo ko kar sa(n)than kee dhhoorae ||4||5||
Nanak, Your slave, begs for this happiness: let me be the dust of the feet of the Saints. ||4||5||
Couldn't seem to post this on ur main 'criticizing...' post...thought it may still be of some use here. Thanks for the space and ur time...Bhul chuk maaf karni jeeO! From a 'sukhi murakh'...
This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Siree Raag on Pannaa 15
isrIrwgu mhlw 1 ]
sireeraag mehalaa 1 ||
Siree Raag, First Mehl:
lbu kuqw kUVu cUhVw Tig KwDw murdwru ]
lab kuthaa koorr chooharraa t(h)ag khaadhhaa muradhaar ||
Greed is a dog; falsehood is a filthy street-sweeper. Cheating is eating a rotting carcass.
pr inMdw pr mlu muK suDI Agin k®oDu cMfwlu ]
par ni(n)dhaa par mal mukh sudhhee agan krodhh cha(n)ddaal ||
Slandering others is putting the filth of others into your own mouth. The fire of anger is the outcaste who burns dead bodies at the crematorium.
rs ks Awpu slwhxw ey krm myry krqwr ]1]
ras kas aap salaahanaa eae karam maerae karathaar ||1||
I am caught in these tastes and flavors, and in self-conceited praise. These are my actions, O my Creator! ||1||
bwbw bolIAY piq hoie ]
baabaa boleeai path hoe ||
O Baba, speak only that which will bring you honor.
aUqm sy dir aUqm khIAih nIc krm bih roie ]1] rhwau ]
ootham sae dhar ootham keheeahi neech karam behi roe ||1|| rehaao ||
They alone are good, who are judged good at the Lord's Door. Those with bad karma can only sit and weep. ||1||Pause||
rsu suienw rsu rupw kwmix rsu prml kI vwsu ]
ras sueinaa ras rupaa kaaman ras paramal kee vaas ||
The pleasures of gold and silver, the pleasures of women, the pleasure of the fragrance of sandalwood,
rsu GoVy rsu syjw mMdr rsu mITw rsu mwsu ]
ras ghorrae ras saejaa ma(n)dhar ras meet(h)aa ras maas ||
the pleasure of horses, the pleasure of a soft bed in a palace, the pleasure of sweet treats and the pleasure of hearty meals
eyqy rs srIr ky kY Git nwm invwsu ]2]
eaethae ras sareer kae kai ghatt naam nivaas ||2||
-these pleasures of the human body are so numerous; how can the Naam, the Name of the Lord, find its dwelling in the heart? ||2||
ijqu boilAY piq pweIAY so boilAw prvwxu ]
jith boliai path paaeeai so boliaa paravaan ||
Those words are acceptable, which, when spoken, bring honor.
iPkw boil ivgucxw suix mUrK mn Ajwx ]
fikaa bol viguchanaa sun moorakh man ajaan ||
Harsh words bring only grief. Listen, O foolish and ignorant mind!
jo iqsu Bwvih sy Bly hoir ik khx vKwx ]3]
jo this bhaavehi sae bhalae hor k kehan vakhaan ||3||
Those who are pleasing to Him are good. What else is there to be said? ||3||
iqn miq iqn piq iqn Dnu plY ijn ihrdY rihAw smwie ]
thin math thin path thin dhhan palai jin hiradhai rehiaa samaae ||
Wisdom, honor and wealth are in the laps of those whose hearts remain permeated with the Lord.
iqn kw ikAw swlwhxw Avr suAwilau kwie ]
thin kaa kiaa saalaahanaa avar suaalio kaae ||
What praise can be offered to them? What other adornments can be bestowed upon them?
nwnk ndrI bwhry rwcih dwin n nwie ]4]4]
naanak nadharee baaharae raachehi dhaan n naae ||4||4||
O Nanak, those who lack the Lord's Glance of Grace cherish neither charity nor the Lord's Name. ||4||4||
WAHEGURU...
Some Tapobaners are not as great as Mkhalsa describes.
Will not get into details but from personal experiences some of the stuff they have done is shocking. Not saying they are all like that, however there are bad apples in the bunch.
i think some of you posting these comments are big hipocrits you say that its bad to talk abt others but you have no problem talking abt manjot singh and tapoban singhs? instead of writing garbadge why dont u write someting useful like Gurbani or panthic article they sangat can get uplifted and benifit from. seriously feedback is good to give. but can we please draw a line between constructive criticism and hurtful speech? we arnt going to get our Guru's love by fostering bad relations with his sikhs. lets take what gunns we may find among each other first. we dont see many post here talking abt other gunns now do we so this must mean that there are some readers here who enjoy this sort of tension :(
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