A reply to people criticizing another post
A post on Sikhsangat in reply to people who started a discussion on this post.
Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!
Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!
smartsingh you amaze me...
"keertan is keertan" right? lets all sit down, do keertan, do some naam simran, everything is ok? I keep hearing this....is that all sikhi is about? lets do keertan? forget about rehat, forget about politics, forget about the panth, forget about our brothers and sisters who have been slaughtered..... lets just sit down and do some keertan... because thats all that matters right?
isnt this view exactly what guru sahib criticized the HINDUS for? being pacificists and people who dont care about anything but their own spirituality (which was a fraud anyway)? (I am not implying anything about you or any other sikh, just making a point)
So how can you say that?
and an agenda?!?! YES, I HAVE AN AGENDA.. i will list it out for you.. heres my agenda: TRUTH, JUSTICE, GURMAT, REHAT, SIKHI, AND MORE TRUTH.
that is my agenda, nothing else. I have no personal gains from such an agenda.. what do I get out of it? everyone hates me? greatttttt.. but at least I have stood up for something or at least I say something when nobody else has the guts to because they are too busy being popular.
Regarding my blog, which wasnt meant to be posted here, I have not lied or made anything up or even stated much of an opinion. All I did was state facts. Shall we go over them?
FACTS:
# 1) akjinternational.org is the new panchain website - yes, it was just made, and yes akjinternational is also known as panchain
# 2) toronto singhs are loading their busses and going to new jersey samagam - ive seen a lot of posts on message boards about this
# 3) new jersey samagam was advertised and broadcasted by the panchain - as stated in fact # 1 akjinternational is the newest panchain website. They broadcasted and advertised the samagam. In fact, this website even has posts by you including this url
Shall I go on? I really dont want to start naming people who would be involved in the facts in the second half of my blog post.
so again, what is your problem with it? nowhere did I put down the panchain or any individuals. I asked questions and stated facts. Or are we not allowed to do that anymore?
If I lied anywhere, show me and I will apologize.
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God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Those who are branded with Your brand fight bravely in battle; those without Your brand run away.One who becomes a Holy person, appreciates the value of devotional worship to the Lord. The Lord places him in His treasury.
**Bhagat Kabeer**...
remember this abovementioned quote and leave those who want to get embroiled in fights to their own deserts.
TRUTH: 100%importance in sikhi..will apply when we want it to apply.
JUSTICE: shame that no justice is done to those who commit sins.
GURMAT: some splinter AKJ groups believe that gurmat is all about just hi-jacking kirtan programmes,doing kirtan,then advetising themselves as well on their website!
REHAT: what rehat?, rehat is reserved for kirtan programmes please!,oh and make up is allowed for the girls :) must look our best for the pics!
SIKHI : stops after the kirtan programme, whens the next programme?.
<<<<<<<<<<<<# 1) akjinternational.org is the new panchain website - yes, it was just made, and yes akjinternational is also known as panchain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How do you know?? what are the sources?? Do you know how many sewadars there are? Do you know who created and regularly updating the website? do you know where they live and what family background they have? Do you know..
I guess i will be called as panchan from now on lol.. :)
Mkhalsa, we need more people like you!. I just read the closed thread on the sikhsangat form regarding the NJ Smagam. Transparant idiots from Toronto was using the name 'Joojveer' attacking many gursikhs from around the world. Yes, you gave yourseleves away. How dare this person attack Navjot Singh and Manjot Singh. Do you think that by doing kirtan in smagams gives you an automatic right to think yourselves as the main AKJ Worldwide?, we know your score.People laugh at you INSIDE and OUTSIDE North America,Europe,Asia etc etc.
The state of the AKJ is in tatters all around the world. Websites desperate to advertise themselves by putting their own pics on them. What happened to Nishkam seva within AKJ? How about the kirtani's, why do they get so easily lured by corrupt people PAYING them to attend a kirtan programme?. Peadophilies and adulters openly having relationships with each other.DISGUSTING. YOU THINK YOU ARE POPULAR BUT YOU ARE BEYOND THAT.
So yeah, we need people like Mkhalsa and Navjot Singh.
Joojveer is....
TELVINDER and GURPREET GILL of Toronto.
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waheguru ji ka khalsa
waheguru ji ki fateh
Manjot Singh ji,
investigations were carried out and it can be confirmed that the real identity of 'JoojVeer' is infact Gurpreet Singh Gill of Toronto.
I suggest that all the Singhs together to do something about this pest once and for all. He has got away with too much in the past. Let the singhs of North America unite.
I will email you privately on the details.
Your Veer, HSingh
waheguru ji ka khalsa
waheguru ji ki fateh
hahah this is jokes.. Keep this AKJ drama going, its really entertaining. I got my popcorn in hand. Lets UNITE TAKE DOWN DEM EVIL DOERSS!! comon north america!! we can dooo itttttt.
haha oh man
"investigation took place .. the real identity"
whats wrong with these fools? what happened to privacy? why dont you CIA agents hunt down every username on every site in which something you didnt agree with was said ... its obvious you have a preconceived hatred of these Singhs from Toronto ( gurpreet singh and telvinder singh i think ). yaaaa lets unite and get them! riiiiiiight
It wasn't them you idiots it was me, great investigation by the way
could sombody be trying to clear their name?! I agree that jatha affairs should not be openly publicised as much as it gives ppl the chance- which they already readily take at every available (and not) opportunity. How immature to make snide remarks as such! Anyway I'm sure these Singhs from Toronto r not strangers. Gursikhs don't 'hate' eachother but do try to help eachother on best conduct etc
yeah and gursikhs don't hide behind stupid names either. Manjot Singh,Davinder Singh and Navjot Singh aren't strangers either. Anyhow, people are still afraid to go up to them and tell them face to face. So Veer jee's, just laugh at them. Most of the time, they have accusations in their heads and think they are confident at every opportunity.
whoever this 'joojveer' is, you're the biggest coward out. However, i don't think names should be put on at all. They should be removed coz' most of the time the 'accuser' is wrong. You people ain't antarjami. Remember that.
sorry for the confusion...i was actually speaking/ thinking in Veer Manjot Singh's favour...
This interpretation of my post just goes to show that maybe both parties aren't totally correct...but only one is corrupt i.e.'Joojveer'!
What exactly did this jojveer character say that is upsetting everyone?
THE TRUTH
These 3 have been a thorn in the side of California sangat for the past few months, and now they are online Jatha will prevail you doosths will not
What did Jojveer say?
Joojveers comments: http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=ST&f=23&t=8706&st=20
We have been a thorn in the side of the jatha? LOL.. more like those people who think they are the akj are not. They can't accept gurmat, panthic reasoning, or truth. Instead they live in duality.
Just look at the way they talk. We have not attacked a single person personally, yet from day 1 they have attacked us personally again and agian. I mean, how low of a person must you be to attack someones past mental state? Tenu sharam nehi ondhi?
that link doesnt work... can you just paste it? if you have time
you all make no sense... especially manjot the head genious of them all...the one who attempts to make himself look good with his 13245674615 websites which are all controlled by him and make posts on a phorum which he controls like waheguroo with 135486156 different names to make some idiotic point. Whats the deal?
"lets all sit down, do keertan, do some naam simran, everything is ok?"
That makes complete sense. You are arguing about very insignificant things when you speak of khalistan and all these shaheeds adn people being slaughtered and truth in the panth and what not...
1984 and shaheeds adn the panth has what to do with just enjoying the raas of keertan and bani of the guru?just jap naam and stop corrupting the web with your bull shit. its completely unnecessary, get a job or a better hobby to keep you busy. maybe even find a friend. just get off line and try picking fights in person instead online your geek.
oh and how can akjinternational be panchain just cuz it seems like it is similar to akji.org. Its NOT. its just some 16 year kid who needed a name for a website and came up with one. dont make a big deal out of it.
This goes out to the last post who ended with:
"oh and how can akjinternational be panchain just cuz it seems like it is similar to akji.org. Its NOT. its just some 16 year kid who needed a name for a website and came up with one. dont make a big deal out of it."
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT ALL THESE POLITICS, I.E. WHATS GOING ON IN THE USA- IT SEEMS RATHER MESSED UP ALL OF A SUDDEN, BUT I'M NOT FROM THE STATES, AND I CAN'T REALLY JUDGE EITHER AS I DONT KNOW WHATS HAPPENING...
BUT I'M JUST POSTING THIS TO SAY THAT THE WEBSITE WWW.AKJINTERNATIONAL.ORG MUST BE PANCHAIN OR ATLEAST PANCHAIN RELATED AS IF YOU GO TO THE 'PROGRAMMES' SECTION, CLICK ON TO IT, HERE'S THE LINK:
http://www.akjinternational.org/images/msk.JPG
IF YOU READ NEAR THE BOTTOM, ITS IN PUNJABI STATING:
Akhand Kirtani Jatha International (Reg) Parbandki Panchain
Hence it makes sence that it MUST be panchain, but simply a 'split' from UK panchain for example...
As for the NJ samagam, I don't have any comments as I dont know ANYTHING about the programme or who it was organised by etc...
"oh and how can akjinternational be panchain just cuz it seems like it is similar to akji.org. Its NOT. its just some 16 year kid who needed a name for a website and came up with one. dont make a big deal out of it."
If they are NOT the Penchain, then why are they broadcasting Panchain Smagams ?
There is a broadcast going on right now from Chandigarh where an official Panchain program is taking place. So according to you they just happen to contact some 16 year old to host their braodcasting.... wow how convenient ! Same thing for the NJ lot, they happen to find the same 16 year old last week.
Also look at thier programs section, it clearly says Parbadhakee Panchain.
Boy, life seems so simple now. It all makes sense. EOM.
well, thats the beauty of akjinternational.org....there LOTS of sevadar around the world...thats why they called INTERNATIONAL!!!!
so stop cussing them
since when has gurbani had a stamp on jathabandee's?
also if anyone wants more info, why not just email them? they have a contact number? :)
The link to joojveers post works fine.. just make sure you copy the whole thing including the gibberish after the question mark: http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?act=ST&f=23&t=8706&st=20
also, I have no control over waheguroo! network. I wont lie and say I have nothing to do with it. BUT it is not my network as some rumor spreaders would like you to beleive. there are at least 30-40 sevadars involved in which I basically do nothing lately. How is it my network or my forum? such a statement has no basis in fact. there are other sevadars who have more control and do a LOT MORE SEVA of waheguroo! network than I ever have.
thanks for putting my name on waheguroo! network though. I really need more government agents after me, as if I don't have enough.
regarding bringing in shaheeds and the panth into things. they have everything to do with everything. all of sikhi is based on our history, based on the lives our shaheeds have given. to say that all those gursikhs who died mean nothing is shameful and disgusting.
you dont deserve to call yourself a sikh, whoever you are.
regarding time on the internet.. I barely spend more than an hour or two on reading forums running my websites, chatting, checking email, etc.. I just use my time wisely and instead of chatting to people about sports or useless things, I engage in Sikhi related matters.
I wish there was a way to shut off comments becuase this is getting useless now... i am going to start deleting useless comments posted after this one..
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