Gay "Sikhs" (again)
A really good post from the Tapoban forum, had to share it:
Author: jagroop singh
Date: 01-15-05 06:04
VahiGuruJiKaKhalsa,VahiGuruJiKiFateh!
Sadh Sangat Jio,
The homosexuality & Sikhi issue comes up alot and i find the best way to identify the GurMat perspective is to adequately conceptualise the issue in relation to GurMat and not the other way round.
The Semitic scriptures (Torah/Old Testament, New Testament/Bible, Qu'Ran) take a firm, unflinching and definitive stand against homosexuality. We find that God literally hurls fire and brimstone upon gay communities because of their ways and opposition to God's Laws i.e.:
"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." (Testament, Romans 1:24-27)
"And Lot! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you? Lo! ye come with lust unto men instead of women. Nay, but ye are wanton folk". (Al Qu'Ran, Surah 7:80-1)
GurBani on the other hand does not make a special point of singling out homosexuals and their ways. Why is this?
Because within the wider scheme of things it is irrelevant - GurBani deals with the roots of issue - not the symptoms. Neither does GurBani claim that homosexuality is scientifically unnatural because this would be a flawed argument - homosexual behaviour is rife in the natural world i.e. especially amongst certain primates who are the second most 'intelligent' species after us.
Stepping aside from all this irrelevancy and Kachi Bani/Other Scriptures, we must remember that GurBani tells us that humans have achieved the pinnacle of material creation - the human body. The GurSikh uses this unique opportunity to target the cause of birth/re-birth - s/he aims to defeat the 5 thieves, one of them being (and arguably the most powerful) Kaam/Lust.
Remember this can be just as prevalent within a heterosexual marriage as it can be in a same-sex marriage i.e. lets not try to discuss the symptoms/logical conclusions of Kaam and instead approach it as Siree Guru Sahib Ji does so. Let us also consider, in order to focus upon the real issue, that GurMat also makes it clear that ANY sexual behaviour outside of Anaand Karaaj is not prohibited if one wishes to meet VahiGuru - so let's now focus on the relevant issues...
Anand Karaaj/marriage keeps Kaam controlled within certain parameters. Also, male and female GurSikhs who reacher higher Avasthas/Spiritual States naturally lose all need for it, except for/if/when they want to have children. They come to understand it's snares and so protect their spiritual wealth.
A person who is homosexual, which like all human tendencies/attributes is a result of Karam/previous actions, can have a GurSikhi Jeevan if they do not act upon these desires and instead attach themselves to Naam (just like a heterosexual GurSikh must also ultimately do so in order to reach VahiGuru).
However, whereas the heterosexual GurSikh has an option to enter into Anaand Karaj with the opposite sex, the homosexual generally does not have the will to do so and nor does s/he have the option to enter into Anaand Karaj with a same-sex partner. Why this 'discrimination'?
Because as stated earlier the whole point of Anaand Karaj is to firstly control Kaam, to enable procreation and to FINALLY allow the GurSikh to rise above Kaam. A same-sex marriage therefore is not conducive to a GurSikhi Jeevan because:
- Procreation cannot take place.
- Sexual behaviour would, even if it is between people who are 'in love', ultimately only satisfy feelings of Kaam because no children would be created through it.
The above two reasons when considered together illustrate the fact that as a 'practising' homosexual, actually going beyond all the snares of Kaam amongst these circumstances and eventually becoming a 'celibate GurSikh' would not be easy to do so...and the insipid and transient taste for Kaam has to be completely annihilated before the taste of Naam can be fully savoured.
To any homosexual Veers/Bhains who may be reading this thread, please understand that my post is not intended to hurt you or make you feel bad. There is no reason to feel bad about your sexual tendencies and don't listen to those who spout needless hate and judgement which is not what GurSikhi is about. This would merely distract you from dealing with your past Karams, just as we all have to if we wish to meet VahiGuru.
What is also worth considering, as a final note, is that GurBani uses 'pseudo-sexual' metaphors when describing how the True Husband (VahiGuru) eventually 'ravages' the Soul Bride, who 'yearns' only for Him i.e.:
'jaisee tarun bhataar urjhee pireh sivai ih man laal deejai.
Like the wife, who is bound by love to her husband, and serves her beloved - like this, give your heart to the Beloved Lord.
man laaleh deejai bhog kareejai habh khusee-aa rang maanay'.
Give your heart to your Beloved Lord, and enjoy His bed, and enjoy all pleasure and bliss.
and elsewhere Siree Guru Sahib Ji says:
'kaajal fool tambol ras lay Dhan kee-aa seegaar.
The wife takes flowers, and fragrance of betel, and decorates herself.
sayjai kant na aa-i-o ayvai bha-i-aa vikaar'.
But her Husband Lord does not come to her bed, and so these efforts are useless.
Therefore Siree Guru Sahib Ji teaches us that the only 'lust' which is positive is the 'lust' felt by the Soul Bride for The True Husband; this 'lust' is Vairaag and through it we achieve the only True Pleasure.
The real question we must all ask ourselves as individuals is: How can this True Pleasure be attained if we have, as i do, Vairaag for material pleasures such as lust or even tasty foods?
No-one ever said GurSikhi was a piece of cake!
(((( : - ) >>>
Bhul chuk maaf karna jio.
VahiGuruJiKaKhalsa,VahiGuruJiKiFateh!
posted by Manjot Singh Khalsa at 4:34 PM
24 Comments:
I am a sikh girl who is 22 years old and i am bi-sexual. I am of Ramgaria caste. I have cut hair and i wouldn't say that i'm a practising sikh but it is important to me.
I have recently fallen in love with a non-sikh. We have been together for three years. Recently my family found out about us and are not at all happy. They have said that i can only marry a sikh man. They have threatened my life and my partners life. I have been told that i may even be forced to marry. They have said that if i leave they will not rest until they have found me and my partner. The only thing that will satisfy them is a sikh marriage!
I am looking for a sikh man who is gay or bi-sexual and is also looking for a marriage of conveniance. I believe that a MOC will mean that we all can live the lives we choose without losing members of our familys.
I understand that a MOC will be difficult but i am a fun, easy going sikh girl and i really feel i can make the whole thing work.
I have been looking for this type of marriage for a few months and there is definatly interest but i can't seem to find many sikhs who would be willing to go through with this type of non-sexual gay marriage. I have however made friends with people who have undergone a marriage of conveniance. I have been delighted to hear how well these MOC's can work!
If you are a gay sikh or know a gay sikh man who might be interested in a MOC the please contact me: pjflora@aol.com
So heterosexual people get to have sexual pleasure simply because it serves another function which is necessary for human creation? Sikhs don't believe in natural law, so dont say that its wrong to use other methods. No one should be allowed anand-karaj as in this modern age sex is not needed for babies, they can take a man's seed and fertilise the egg and without the kaam-based methods[sex].
Sikhism's notion of equality is not that everyone has different rules [caste, menstruation rules] but that everyone can have the same thing. Therefore stop following Hindu concepts such as celibacy and different rules for everyone and recognise that everyone is the same.
If a heterosexual women cannot bare children, should she not get married?
I read your post and I was hurt to say the least. I am a turbaned Sikh guy in my mid 20s, who is unfortunately, gay. If i was to go by your post, I am condemned to a life of loneliness and pain. I cant even express how many times I have wished for some kind of 'treatment' (which doesnt exist) or just to die, to end it all. But neither is a solution. If you have one which does not involve emotional pain and depression on a daily basis, let me know. Please, eradicate the ignorance, dont spread it.
I read your post, and i have to say that i am not hurt at all, but just to let you know that i am turbaned sikh who is gay. I have tried denying myself that i am a homosexual but it never worked. A few dayz back, my parents were discussing an arranged marriage for myself. I was very depressed about this, but since i have no other option, i have to keep this as a secret for the rest of my life for my lust for guys have been unstoppable. ;)
if you guys wanna email me, its ranjeet_bassi85@yahoo.com
There's no doubt it must be incredibly hard to be a gay person, let alone then being a Sikh, Muslim or Hindu. Culturally it's looked down upon, and really, i can't see a marriage happening between to Asian guys.
I really sympathise with the above guys who are gay, not because they're gay, but because of your average Indian person's view of it. I imagine being a gay English person is hard enough, but to be Asian as well must make it a few hundred times harder.
If i was gay, i'd just have to control my feelings and marry a woman. I still don't understand how a man can't find a woman attractive. To the gay fellas, go and get yourself a really, really attractive lady (plenty of them out there) and hopefully that should sort things out for you!
(I know my last comment was incredibly ignorant but i wanted to end with a light hearted joke)
Hi im a gay sikh and have accepted being gay. it doesnt matter who you like just the way you act and your actions towards others. it really saddens me to read young gay men and women have been put under so much pressure that they want to die or choose to marry a person of the opposite sex just to please their parents. its simply not fair to the other person. grow up and gain confidence and hopefully in a few years time we can grow open minded sikhs. i do think this is achieveable but not for our parents generation. sacrifices will have to be made in that we may have to leave home or face persecutation but havent we done that all our lives as sikh and queers? keep your head up high and no homosexuality is not something someone chooses and yes women are attractive but not in the same way for everyone x
Hello to those who have read through the initial message and then through the remaining responses to this (at the present time) the last of entries. As a gay Sardar (turban wearing Sikh), I am not upset by the author's interpretation of the Siri Guru Granth Sahib. However, the responder who first states that "If [he] was gay" comes across no differently than the bigoted members of society whose understanding of sexual orientation is limited to the onlooker's limited view. By claiming that "I still don't understand how a man can't find a woman attractive [...]go and get yourself a really, really attractive lady [...] that should sort things out for you!" couldn't be further from how relationships work. If one tries to at least read the initial message on this blog, it would be clear that relationships are not upheld SOLELY on lust. There is much more that to a relationship than that. Some may claim that relations between a man and a woman are different from relations that two men can jointly share ONLY on a physical level and thus are a representation of lust. While there is no denying the fact that there is a physical element; but that physical attraction is inherent to human nature and does not discriminate: it affects EVERY member of every species which procreates via sexual reproduction, irrespective of his/her sexual orientation. The bottom line is that one cannot truly understand what it is to be in this predicament without complete immersion. Everyone is, however, entitled to his/her own opinions. I would hope, still, that our generation of brothers and sisters would recognize that not one of has ASKED Waheguru to make us this way. While I do not want to engage in a dialogue about Karam, I would like you to consider a previous message in this string which reflects on his/her perception of the difficulty most gay people face which is then compounded by one's religious/cultural affiliation. I have no intention to solicit your PITY, but just to think for a moment that most of us who are stuck in this predicament harbor a very loving sentiment for our parents and families which prevent us from hurting them by coming out with the truth. If we were truly selfish and faithless, perhaps the neither the turban/beard, nor the a homosexual lifestyle would be issues. All I ask is that you give it some thought before you judge/condemn us or offer us your (possibly) kindhearted yet "flighty" suggestions to help "make things work."
If you'd like to contact me, please do so at "confusedsikh@gmail.com"
All I wanted to say is that Vaheguru exists within everyone, whether they are hetrosexual, bi-sexual, homesexual etc, etc. Find God within yourself then others. Love is very powerful it doesn't see caste, colour, sexual orientation. Tera Pana Meeta Lage translate it however you want but I feel if you are gay accept it. Whatever God gives is a gift. I cannot judge you only Vaheguru can so ignore everyone else and focus on Vaheguru. If you can look beyond sexuality you have already been given a gift. So many of us are still focused on caste.
If the scriptures do not comment on sexuality why should we? May be they don't because to attain union with God your sexuality doesn't actually matter.
I hope I didn't offend anyone but our Gurus fought persecution. Gave their lives for other faiths. Set up camps for leopers. Sikhism embraces differences so why are we persecuting homosexuals in the name of religion?
I've been an accepted gay for almost ten years now, raised in a catholic environment, and I am considering taking Sikh vows.
As a Sikh man, I envision and believe it to be possible to have a same sex partner, and practice celibacy.
Homosexual attraction to same-sex beings can go beyond the actual physical act of sex.
I believe it is possible to have a heart center relationship, and become one by balancing the soul bhakti and shakti energies.
The act of sex, if remains sacred and performed with the present reminder that it is a physical manifestation of love could still be part of a same-sex relationship.
Within Yogic science, it is true that the sexual act will drain your kundalini energy. This kundalini energy is part of the physical tool we are given as humans to reach god-consciousness.
It depends on the being choice on how to use it.
Lust it is certainly a deviation of saving that sacred energy that in turn will allow you to connect with your Divine.
A same-sex relationship can certainly be in support of each others believes, and practices, and form a nucleus of sustainable empowerment with the service to each other, facilitating the mastery of selfless love, balance, grace, and the attainment of god-consciousness. Just a heterosexual nucleus should serve.
Hello all,
Nice to hear about your input on being gay or not and opinions on life as a faithful guy/girl. Just to point out, straight or gay we are more at risk of being punished for our unethical behavior such as adultry, abuse, stealing, and cheating than just being a homosexual. All this discussion about if it's okay to be gay or not is just an issue but not a problem like our wrong doings. Someone recently told me that homosexuality is not natural...well, its true if you only see it as an object of lust of sexual obsession, but really what is wrong with one man/woman having affection beyond friendship with another man/woman. So, let's not be hypocritical about our own actions and morals by taking it out on homosexuals.
Okay, does anyone know of gurudwaras Guru Nanak sect in Los Angeles area? Please advice. Thanks.
madhurya1974@yahoo.com
Hi,
This has been interesting reading, I am a white gay male, 32, with a Sikh boyfriend who is 24. Im quite content with my lot, he is terrified. Im open about my sexuality, only a handful of my partners friends and NONE of his family know, We have been seeing each other for over 12 months and have exchanged rings, thigs are tense for us as were not able to meet often because of his family commitments.
I am though confused, I have read a little (only a little) about sexuality in sikhism, Im sad to say I dont know which caste he belongs to, but in the grand scheme of things is someones sexuality that important, I didnt think that there was any distinguishing between two people as long as they loved and worshipped properly.
Any advice about how I can help my poor fella would be most appreciated markrn25@hotmail.com
yea,
suck a cock gay boys,,,
the khalsa would never do that..
attachment and desire fuel homosexuality...both of which are of the 5 vices...
God transends that stuff..
and those who don't are not with God.
To the person above me, you missed the point entirely.
Just 'cos you're gay, doesn't mean you're going to fall for every guy you come across. Just like you straight guys aren't attracted to every girl out there, so it is for us.
Lust is a dangerous vice. It afflicts all of us, straight or gay. Some would say that Gurbani only allows for 'lustful' activities for procreation purposes, and then only in marriage. Do we not need lust to be attracted to someone? Is it not lust that gives you the impetus to engage in the 'activity'? Isn't it also a way for you to show your affection for your partner? I would submit that what Gurbani says is do not be a slave to your lust - do not be a slave to any of the 5 vices. They are all required to some extent to fuel our material lives, but over-reliance or over-indulgence in any of them is exponentially detrimental to our spirtual wellbeing.
To this extent, I would agree that gay guys do submit more to their lust than heterosexuals. For the guys who are outraged by this, remember, engaging in 'lustful activity' can also be a solo act! The nature of the emotions and the process of accepting that you are gay tend towards lust - part of the process of realising you ilke guys is to ... well... look at guys in that way! I'm not saying its right, or wrong, it just is.
However, this can be fought. You can be gay and not lustful. There comes a point when you realise who you are where you want companionship - and this is more based on love and respect than it is on lust.
So now we turn to marriage....
Physical intimacy is an important part of any human relationship. The simple fact is that gay guys are not physically attracted to girls - its probably confounding for you straight guys out there but thats how it is! If you can't share a physical relationship with a girl then you shouldn't marry - it isn't fair on her or on you. I have the utmost respect for girls, some I even care about deeply on an emotional level. However I'm just not attracted to them.
So can a guy marry a guy? I don't know. I'm clearly biased but I do not want to twist Gurbani to suit my needs. An earlier poster said Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Juggo Jug Attal - the Truth is as it is written. However, we interpret what is written. The earlier posters quoted Gurbani to say that marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Isn't that interpreting it in favour of a particular viewpoint?
I honestly don't know the answer to this last question. I pray every day that Waheguru will give me guidance - and if that guidance is to marry a woman, so be it.
So how can a gay guy say this you ask ? I also believe that when one has attained a certain level of spirituality, one does transcend all vices and attachment. Surely this is what we all strive for in our lives? Marriage is part of the journey to this stage of transcendence, but it is also a way for two people with the same ultimate goal of Naam to live lives congruent with this purpose in this material world.
Where I'm going with all this only God knows, but hopefully it gives some food for thought!
WJKK WJKF
If anyone here, or any Sikh anywhere, believes Guru Nanak would have excluded a single gay man or woman from a Gurdwara, or denied them the right to use the Gurdwara in any way identical to anyone else using the Gurdwara, please let me know, as I feel it would bring the foundations of Sikhism down.
Please do read the Guru Granth Sahib as a reference for many Sikh things, but don't forget for a moment that Guru Nanak's love and message was for everyone, no matter gender, caste, creed etc. ANY viewpoint counter to Guru Nanak's vision is clearly not Sikhism. We must consider these 'modern' questions in our own hearts and measure them to Guru Nanak's standard.
Post me on lalaeuro@hotmail.com if you have strongly disagree or perhaps even agree.
vahegurujikakhalsa vahehurujikifateh
only thing i can say.....it is extremely hard to live a life of amritdhari gursikh and being a gay at same time..... i got married few years ago bcoz i had no other choice.
I am still the same person who always had attraction towards men & hopefully there will be some solution to punishments of my past karmaas.
Sometimes Every second i feel like killing my self coz i can not share with anyone that i am a gay coz being amritdhari gursikh, i have got no other option except hiding it deep in my heart FOREVER....
May Vaheguru help me...
Do not even think about killing yourself!
I understand how difficult it is for you but please do not punish yourself with these negative thoughts.
You did not asked to be gay you did not wan't to get married you did not choose to be born in a Gursikh family. You have no sin.
And you have to know you are not the only decent amritdhaari guy who live like a slave serving the expectations of others. I know a lot like you.
For a long time i also felt guilty because i am looking for an honest keshdhaari guy to be my life partner but i don't care anymore what other people say. It is only God's and my business.
We can talk if you feel like. Here is my e-mail address: sweetmasala@yahoo.com
sat sri akal........
this is really horrible to hear that our religion is so open minded, but yet so many sikhs are closed minded. I am a heterosexual sardarni, and this is my feeling on it....YOU WERE BORN THE WAY YOU WERE, NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. AS LONG AS YOU CAN RESPECT YOURSELF AND OTHERS, AND STILL HAVE GOOD MORALS, THEN IT'S NO ONE'S PLACE, EVEN AKAL THAKAT TO TELL U. GOD PUT U HERE FOR A REASON, AND VAHEGURU JI MADE U AS U R FOR A REASON. AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE AS LONG AS U R A GOOD PERSON WHO TRIES TO RESPECT UR PARTNER. SO TO ALL OF U WHO ARE GAY SINGHS N KAURS...WHAT U NEED IS FOR OTHER PPL TO ACCEPT AND UNDERSTAND U. IT'S THEIR IGNORNACE AND PREJIDUCE. AND IF IT MATTERS, I WONT HATE U. My best friend is lesbian, and thought i have no feelings for her *that* way, she is like my sister and mother and we care for each other. Ppl need to realise ur NOT untouchable, ur NOT scum. You are beautiful heamn beings just like anyone else, and as long as u r not doing anything seriously immoral like cheating on ur jaanu, or whatever, then ur fine. AND TO THE PERSON WHO JUST BASHED EVERYONE ELSE, U PROVED WHAT A WORTHLESS SMALL BRAIN ARSEFACE U R. markrn25, i have heard so many stories about white girls who marry indians for money and attention, but it's wonderful to hear that u have such respect for ur guy. i know ur both men, and that makes it harder especially with so many small minded ppl who abuse u. TO THE BASTARD WHO BASHED EVERYONE, VAHEGURU WILL GET U FOR UR IGNORANCE. and i agree with the above comment - 'our Gurus fought persecution. Gave their lives for other faiths. Set up camps for leopers. Sikhism embraces differences so why are we persecuting homosexuals in the name of religion?' being gay is no more a crime than having pale or dark skin, brown or green or blue eyes. and ppl need to realise that. some of the best ppl i know are gay, and both my husband and i respect gay ppl as normal human beings. You are always welcome in *OUR* SIKHISM. - Nirmal Kaur
OH and btw, a TRUE khalsa would have respect for tohers as long as they are truly respectful. there r many false khalsas who watch porn n drink, and have relations with goris who exploit our culture and faith....being gay is NOT a crime like these things. So grow up!
WJKKWJKF
I'm male and have been married for quite a few years now and have teenage children. When I was younger my family prevented me from experiencing life in the normal way as Sex etc was always taboo and it was "rude" to look at naked women and sexual things. The first sexual eperience I had was with a man and nobody knew about this, so I think this programmed me to being gay. I have always been in love with Waheguru and soon I hope to be amritdhari. My wife knows I that during marriage I have strayed but she has forgiven me time and again. She has been deeply hurt by me and this is not good as I will have to pay for this karam. I hope I can clear this before I die.
At the moment I am trying my hardest to overcome my lust and it is something I am finding very hard to do, however I keep praying to Waheguru to help me overcome the Kaam aspect of my panj tat which is occasionaly distracting me. Kaam is such a powerful thing and it is very difficult to overcome and take control of. I keep seeing good looking men who, in the past I would have imeediately flirted with but now my appearance doesn't attract them to me. I then think to myself that this is not the right way ahead and if I were to go and perform a kaamic act, what sort of message does it give about Sikhi. I know that I will have to learn to channel my kaamic energy so that it can be used for something non-sexual.
I empathise with my brothers and sisters who are going through the psychological pain and self torment but I would like to say that we must not lose sight of what it is our soul is searching for. That is to merge with Waheguru. Unfortunatley on this earth we have to fight a daily battle with our manmat in order to make room for Gurmat. If we keep fighting then one day Gurmat will become such an addictive habit that it will replace the habit of sexual and kaamic desires.
WJKKWJKF
Everyone is soooo worried about displeasing god. God created all things the universe, planets, suns moons, our forests, animals and us. In us god has put a higher level brain to process everything that we live and experience, and also god has also place a heart in us to love and to feel. God has also placed paths to follow and has instilled in us rights and wrongs which every human will come into contact with. We are supposed to overcome the bad and go with the good, but it seems that many people can’t agree on what is good and what is bad. Now with that in mind I want you to think about when you were a child, being recently born they will have stronger feelings then adults about what is right and wrong even though many people assume they don’t know because their parents have not “PROGRAMED THEM YET”. This is not true; they know what feels right and what feels wrong. For instance when a child kills (hunting I am referring to) they will feel that they did something wrong they will see that they have taken a life and feel confused and unsettled inside until they are told by an adult that it is ok. When a child takes something from someone els they will not feel bad this is true unless it is something very important to the person they stole from. This creates another argument that stealing isn’t stealing unless it is essential to another person’s life. Because if it is just an object we aren’t technically supposed to care because WE ARE SUPPOSES TO BE DETACHED FROM WORLDLY POSSETIONS!!!
Now when it comes to homosexuality those who have experienced it (which basically the entire world has admit it or not) unless you are told it is wrong by an ADULT then you won’t feel badly about it. And as I have said children have the basic programming that god intends for us they are the best judges of the matter. When we are young we have friends and they are the same sex as we are usually. And you will notice by many studies that our first experience would be with those close friends. And if they are the same sex we don’t know that it is bad or wrong until you get caught by an adult (or hear that it is from and adult). The point is that love is endless and untamable, no one can help who they fall in love with if we could we would be gods ourselves. So people since god have made the world and your life’s how about you actually LIVE YOUR LIVES instead of crying and whining. God loves you and you should love god and love each other and stop judging each other, when you do that you are just trying to hide your flaws with someone else’s. And I know this is making me sound like a hippie but I’m not lol I promise.
And I understand that the big problem is lust. But lust is something that happens outside of actual love. When you truly love someone you don’t see their body’s you see their soul and if you don’t then you’re not in love. So the actual issue is when people run around and have sex with anyone or everyone they can just to get off because they like the physical feeling and not the emotion, this is lust. When you come together with someone you LOVE then it is just that, LOVE.
But one thing to remember for all people, one day you will meet god and you will discuss what you have said and done.
GAY SIKH WANTED FOR MARRIAGE OF CONVENIENCE
Hi, I’ m looking for a marriage of convenience that is totally non sexual just to stop family pressure. I am 22, Sikh-Jatt and straight, and in a long term committed relationship with a white guy who i love much, hoping to find a gay Sikh male in similar situation, who is prepared to go through with this. Unsure of how this will work out in the long term, but hoping to discuss and work this out together to suit everyone. If you are interested or know anyone who may be, please get into contact my emailing myself kay-k@hotmail.co.uk. Look forward to hearing from you
Hi there. I am a professional and independent, straight Jat Sikh female aged 36 who is looking for a marriage of convenience with a Jat Sikh male (gay or bisexual, or straight even - this can work!)there will be no pressure from me and we will be able to live separate CONFIDENTIAL lives throughout! I own my house and have my own business so am financially secure. Please text me on 07929532934 or email me at cajetan@hotmail.co.uk (I live in England)Thanks and good luck to all you guys. xxxx
GIRL WANTED FOR MARRIAGE OF CONVENIENCE
Hi there...I m 28 yrs old non Sikh Hindu Professional guy from US. Since i m a Gay, I am looking for a decent educated understanding lesbian or bisexual girl for moc to have a peaceful meaningful life.
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